Thursday, October 22, 2009

The Way Forward


As was mentioned in the comment section of the previous post and touched upon in the post, the Modern Orthodox community in the tri state area has a problem that, for the most part, the choice of schools leaves a lot to be desired. I find that I am left to choose if I want my kids to get a charedi light education or go to a school where a large chunk of the parent body are MO light. Although I think that there are more options on the elementary school level I think that the high schools in our community present a problem. On the one hand you can choose to send your sons to MTA, where at this point the majority of the rebbeim are Charedi light (at best), including a rabid anti Zionist rebbe, a guy who has a VANITY license plate that reads: Mussar, and other YU Yeshivish types (including the mashgiach who is pretty right of center) or there is Bruria which for all intense and purposes is a charedi school (right of center at best) with Modern Orthodox kids. On the other side there are places like RAMAZ and Frisch, which although many of the teachers are top notch it is not the kind of school that most Centrist Modern Orthodox parents will choose to send their kids to.

I an think of only two high schools in the Metro NY area that (at least try to) embrace tru Modern Orthodox ideologies in their teaching and hashkafos and those are TABC and Ma'ayanot (both located in Teaneck). As I mentioned in my previous post, one of the best articles I have read on Modern Orthodox education appeared in the latest version of the Meorot journal and it was written by Rivka Kahan, who currently teaches at Ma'ayanot and is slated to become the principal at the beginning of the next year. From what I know of Ma'ayanot, they hire teachers who believe in "the cause" of Modern Orthodoxy. The topic of her article (or the question presented to her) is "What should be done in Modern Orthodox education to instill confidence in its graduates that they are not religiously inferior in knowledge or observance to Charedi graduates?" One of the things I find most unique about this essay is that this question was presented to someone from an all girls school as apposed to someone from a co-ed or all boys school. One of the main things, I believe that sets our community apart from our charedi counterparts is the emphasis that we place on chinuch for our girls. The broader charedi community sees girls education as secondary and does not place major emphasis on it, in either Judaic or secular studies. Charedi girl high schools are seen as kind of holding cells until the girl turns 18 and can get married off. Gamara for girls is seen as taboo as eating treif and continuing education is often shunned. Our community by contrast places great emphasis on educating our girls in all aspects of Judaism. Tanach, Halachah and Gemara. Although some of our schools, such as Bruria, shun teaching the girls on the daf, from what I have heard Gemara is still an important part of the curriculum.

She writes in her article that Ma'ayanot is in a unique position in that gemara is a major part of the curriculum. She writes that one of the challenges that Modern Orthodox educators face is "how to educate our students to view Modern Orthodoxy as a compelling religious ideology and lifestyle, rather than as a dilution of a more rigorous religiosity" She says that to address the original question of making sure our students do not feel inferior we need to make sure that their experience is a "source of pride" to them. She said that we need "to help our students develop a sincere sense of being one commanded by God as the basis for an authentic, personal encounter with the Torah in a context that encourages individuality, is deeply respectful of differences and, and fosters thoughtfulness and reflection". To this end she says, as I mentioned in the last post, "It is, of course, of paramount importance to hire limmudei qodesh teachers who are Modern Orthodox role models of serious Torah learning and religious devotion". This idea is going to continue to come back to our community, we need to know what the hashkafos are of the people we are trusting to educate our children. We must make sure that we are on solid hashkafic ground with them. She said that Ma'ayanot has done a number of things that foster dialogue between their students and faculty, including creating a Judaic studies blog.

She says that even with the proper education students might still feel inferior to their charedi counterparts if they "lack understanding and appreciation of the tenets of Modern Orthodoxy or if they develop a sense that religious devotion is structured as a continuum, with unaffiliated Jews falling at one end of the continuum and Charedi Jews falling at the other end". She continues that "it is crucial for students to develop a sense of the historical development of Modern Orthodoxy. this should take place within the context of the Jewish History curriculum. Specifically, it is key for students to understand that Modern Orthodox and contemporary variations of Charedi Judaism both originated as responses to the Reform Movement, with Modern Orthodoxy representing R' Hirsch and Charedi Judaism representing the response of the Chasam Sofer". It is interesting to point out that there are currently some in the Yekeshe camp that are attempting to whitewash over everything that R' Hirsch did as kind of a Hora'as shaah and trying to align the community closer to the thought of the chasam Sofer rather than R' Hirsch, here we call that revisionist history.

She writes that in addition to ideology Modern Orthodox ideologies can be incorporated into the texts of tanach and gemrah, using the teachings and thoughts of contemporary Modern Orthodox scholars, such as the Rav and Rav Lichtenstein. She says that in addition to limudei kodesh these principals need to be communicated and stressed in secular studies as well such as in science and history. She also writes that "It is important to teach Jewish Philosophy as its own subject in either tenth or eleventh grade in order to help students explore many fundamental areas of Jewish thought and beliefe in the context of a well-defined curriculum. the Jewish Philosophy curriculum should include an introduction to the fundamental beliefs that define Modern Orthodoxy, through the writings of leading Modern Orthodox Gedolie Torah, including the Rav and Rav Lichtenstein". To this point, the complaint I hear most often about Modern Orthodoxy, including from a well known scholar who spoke in my shul a number of months ago, is that we need to define what it is we stand for and what we represent. Now, unfortunately the term Modern Orthodox, is mostly synonymous with MO light, or people who are less than serious about halacha and shemiras hamitzvos. I think it would be very helpful to the community if they have some sort of curriculum, if it could be shared with the masses.

She ends off by saying that "it is crucial for Modern Orthodoxy to be taught experientially. Students need to be exposed to Modern Orthodox gedolie torah and talmidei chachamim both in writing and in person". She also said that she heard of a particular rebbe in RAMAZ who brought his students to a medical ethics meeting in Mt. Sinai hospital and how it gives a new type of appreciation for the intersection of Torah and general culture.

I think that it is imperative for all schools who claim to be Modern Orthodox to read this article and the others in MEOROT and use them as models for our community. We need to make sure that our kids are being infused with the proper hashkafot and hadrachot hachaim, in school at home, and also in camp (which is a topic for another time). We need to make sure we know who we are hiring in our institutions and that they not only teach about Modern Orthodoxy but embrace and live it as well. We need to find role models for our kids within our own community, talmidei chachamim and community leaders who live the life, and we should not need to look outside of our daled amos to show our kids who to emulate.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

The school has a great concept. It's too bad a large number of the girls there dress like they are "working" on 42nd street. I'm not advocating they dress like a BY, but they do need to find a happy medium.

One major flaw they have is their limudeo kodesh is taught as a subjet like math and science. I'm having a hard time finding the right words, but it's like their limudei kodesh is missing its neshamah.

If they find their soul it can become a great makom torah for our daughters.

Mordechai Y. Scher said...

If I had to dare, I'd say this is the most important discussion to be having at this point in history.

Honestly Frum said...

Mordechai, I agree, but the conversation needs to be had by our leaders in an organized manner. Where is the CJF on this? This should be THE isuue they are discussing.

Anon, I think you have the dress thing in all girls high schools that do not have uniforms and are not BY, not sure what the solition is, maybe bukahs. As far as the teaching goes I cannot speak to that but what I do know about the limudei kodesh teachers there I think you might be off base somewhat.

Anonymous said...

HF - Unfortunately I am not off based. Their are many tremendous teachers at Maayanot, but there is definetly something missing. From other posts you have I know you have small children so you may not be as informed as I am. Much of it comes back to what you have been preaching. The MO community needs to define itself and it's hashkafahs. We don't want to be "Chareidi light" as you say, but for some reason that forces us to an intellectual way of being an ovdei Hashem. For whatever reason emotion has been taken out of everything becuase we don't want to appear to be chareidi light. The MO community needs to find a way to add that special spark to our lives. The Chassidim do have a few things right.

As for the bukahs I love the sarcasim, but when I see these girls (and I by no means am I referring to a majority, but enough) walking around with their cleavage sticking out something is wrong (yes I know it happens in BY too). As you said it's a problem for all schools.

Anonymous said...

We used to have a saying about BY girls that went "the longer the skirt the quicker the drop". Dress is not everything, and parents who allow children to buy clothes like this are just as accountable for it.

I went to an MO school and I happen to be MO light. That was my choice. MO itself can work if everyone just stands up to bullying chareidim.

Anonymous said...

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
=====================

What percentage of MO is inertial (I do what I do because I always did it, because my friends do it....)? What percentage is MOLite(Chareidim are the real deal but nebech I'm to weak) and what percentage see MO (fidelity to halacha,value in Secular Studies, zionism, relations outside of orthodoxy...) as lchatchilah and want to fight for it?

What do you answer a kid who says even if I buy the philosophy, show me a community that has really implememnted it? Who are the heros in your community?


KT
Joel Rich

Honestly Frum said...

Joel thank God I am fortunate enough to have role models in my community who I can point my kids to who live and embrace Modern Orthodoxy. I do, however agree with you that as of now our community has a long way to go.

DB said...

The masses have spoken and continue to express themselves! Modern orthodoxy is failing to instill in the average highs school student the inherent value of modern orthodoxy.

You cannot even BEGIN to compare gedolim... not that one should but the chareidi world has it much better! The true gedolim are put on a pedestal and truly revered! How many poeple in the MO world belive in true daas torah?

The average MO family leaves MUCH to be desired in terms of imbuing their children with the right ideals and push to continue in their footsteps! With moms who dont cover their hair and wear sleeves to their elbows or with dads who rush through shabbos lunch to get the nap in, no wonder kids are rushing off to what they perceive as a more spiritual and beautiful torah environment which can more easily be found in a yeshivish setting!

also... if you speak about MO gedolim... find out who their rebbes were and who the rebbes rebbes were! most likely you will end up with a more to the right of center people to say the least!

Anonymous said...

HF, is there really a rebbe in MTA who you would lable as "anti zionist"?? If so, can you state his name.

Honestly Frum said...

Rabbi Shiller.

Honestly Frum said...

I'm gonna go out on a limb hre and say that I doubt R' Mendelsohn is a big fan of the State of Israel either and I doubt he speaks of its virtues and those of religious Zionism in his classes either.

Anonymous said...

rav mendelsohn ant zionist rabbi shiller anti zionist rabbi bechlofer ant zionist from ohr someach teaching in mta Schiler is aracist and anti rz wHO IS THE MASHIGACH of the yeshiva this at the flagship of mo I agree we serious mo have alot of work to do but we have to demand to learn from our gedolim who come in our schools yavneh, ynj noam there are no large pictures of the rav, ral, ras, rav herzog, rav kook etc WHY? I am the only parent to complain about this? how come our schools do no teach about them how come they do noteach RAS RHS position on yh and hallel. PARENTS TELL THESE SCHOOLS STOP EXCLUDING OUR GEDOLIM and MTA CLEAN HOUSE
RABBI MENDELSOHN SHUL REFUSE TO SAY A TEFLIAH FOR THE IDF AND GIL STUDENT DAVENS THERE

Anonymous said...

The bigger problem we have is finding a way to finance Jewish education. It's becoming simply unaffordable for the avergae working family.

Anonymous said...

We need people at RIETS that represent the values of our community. Just look at the rabbi that they are honoring this week. what a disgrace espescially after all of the frum scandals over the past year.

Askan said...

Anon from 1130 PM, you should email HF and get in touch with him. You seem to have similar viewpoints.

Honestly Frum said...

Anon 11:30, you are on the mark. Mendelsohn and many of the others in MTA do not represent OUR values. It is pretty sad that our main institution cannot get their act together to have a high school that represents true Modern Orthodox values. I still cannot figure out how they let Shiller, a white supremasist and anti zionist keep his job. The rebbeim who get the jobs at MTA are nerly all RW. We need people like Rabbi Asaf Bednarsh and Rabbi Shmeul Hain to be willing to take jobs as educators in our institutions. The one theme that was said over and over again in the Meorot journal is that THE KEY to success with our kids is getting them mechanchim who represent our values and understand us and not try to sell our kids on the idea that Yeshivish and the Right is the only way to go. We need people to stand up for what is right, mi lahashem eila!

Yonatan said...

Rav Hirsch was not Modern Orthodox. He was against Academic Jewish Studies, for Austritt, etc.

Cf. Marc Shapiro in the Sereidi Aish book.

He was part of Frankfort German Orthodoxy which was its own thing.

Intellectual honestly requires us to say that MO is not Rambam, Rav Hirsch nor Gra. However, it is better than being a Chareidi or just as valid.

Mordechai Y. Scher said...

With all due respect, the rabbanim with whom you disagree still should get the respect of their titles. If the rabbanim you favor are 'Rabbi Ploni', then so are Rabbanim Mendelson and Schiller.

I don't know these people, so I have no axe to grind. But an important value in Modern Orthodoxy as I understand is Derech Eretz (which PRECEDES Torah) and giving respect where due OR required.

As a long time teacher I have radically disagreed with many of my Hareidi colleagues; but I would never countenance denigrating a talmid hacham or teacher who has applied himself/herself for the sake of Torah values as they understand it, and for the sake of our children. That was one of the finest memories I have of Mercaz HaRav - that I truly never heard a bad word said about ANYONE who was devoted to learning Torah. War of ideas, to be sure; but never personal disrespect. Rav Tzvi Yehudah wouldn't stand for it.

emes said...

honestly frum i am here for you. every mo school i go into where are our gedolim pics. i emailed mta why are they there. i have told brander. others need to speak up to how come our children will not know who rav herzog or rav kook was rav rakfet told me i am right and i should move to israel rav herzog was a gedoliy hadoar our boys learm nothing